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presidential nominee, who is preparing for his own debate, again avoided giving details of the romney tax plan, even when pressed. >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> reporter: the president is in nevada tonight for what insiders call three days of debate camp at a resort outside of las vegas. they too are trying to lower expectations and believe accounts that the romney campaign is convinced debates are about moments. >> the idea that i'm anti-immigrant is repulsive. >> reporter: and romney will come armed with several one-liners. >> clearly they've been practicing these zingers and lines for months, so i'm sure they'll have a bunch of clever line, but that's ultimately not what the american people are looking for. >> reporter: the president is being coached to be crisper, to shorten his answers, and a former democratic candidate says mr. obama needs to avoid being irritable. >> but he's got to relax. he's got to show it, and he's got to show a little sense of humor. he's got to show why he's likable. >> rep
presidential nominee, who is preparing for his own debate, again avoided giving details of the romney tax plan, even when pressed. >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> reporter: the president is in nevada tonight for what insiders call three days of debate camp at a resort outside of las vegas. they too are trying to lower expectations and believe accounts that the romney campaign is convinced...
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we are going to talk to him about a new proposed international tax. >> allen west talking about what went wrong wiin libya. evan bayh former senator from the great state of indiana is going to talk about a tax on all of it at a time when we needed it the least. that's starting in 12 minutes on the fox news channel. stay with us. >> medicare can stop housing. this is part of the president's healthcare law that is meant to improve quality of care. the average fine is 125,000 dollars. >> bonnie and clyde still robbing people. two of their guns selling for half a million dollars at auction. the colt 45 was found in his waist band and bonnie's 38 special was found apparently taped to her thigh. that's when the infamous outlaws were killed back in 1934. >> the battle of the bulge. you know the muffin top, some diets can be dangerous for your health. here to breakdown the dos and don'ts fitness expert nikki fitness. >> good to see you. >> let's start first with the cleanse. so many people i hear a lot of people in the studio here in new york city doing these cleansing diets. are they health
we are going to talk to him about a new proposed international tax. >> allen west talking about what went wrong wiin libya. evan bayh former senator from the great state of indiana is going to talk about a tax on all of it at a time when we needed it the least. that's starting in 12 minutes on the fox news channel. stay with us. >> medicare can stop housing. this is part of the president's healthcare law that is meant to improve quality of care. the average fine is 125,000 dollars....
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lowering the tax rates by broadening the tax rates -- >> let me --. i -- >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the time. it would take me too long go through all of the math. >> that's a quote you're going to hear a lot, i guess from the obama campaign and the president himself. meanwhile the president who's known for being a bit long-winded and can have an hour-long news conference with only eight questions is working to sharpen his responses. quote, we eh had a hard time getting every point across within the time limit. you're trying to make a case to the people, so you have to make sure your answers connect with people. he got some advice from howard dean. >> the president's got to avoid being irritable. hi's got to roll with the punches. mitt is going to be out there, aggressive. he feet to show a sense of humor and show he's likeable. that's all nonverbal cues. >> folks, these debates, though, they don't have time limits, they allow for a lot of back and forth. it will be interesting to see which candidate enjoys that idea that you do
lowering the tax rates by broadening the tax rates -- >> let me --. i -- >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the time. it would take me too long go through all of the math. >> that's a quote you're going to hear a lot, i guess from the obama campaign and the president himself. meanwhile the president who's known for being a bit long-winded and can have an hour-long news conference with only eight questions is working to sharpen his responses. quote, we eh...
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one thing or another is that a tax increase or not? it is through the tax system. so, did you lie? he's going to say no, i did not lie. >> you say something, you call him out on it. here's the deal. romney's not going to try to bring it up in the debate. nor will president obama because the moment you do, you have opened the door for your opponent to actually you out. so, responsibility's going to rest on the debate moderator, who is not going to do it, but again, what people are saying is can i get somebody to tell me the truth? you can cross words all you want to, but there are some things called undeniable truth. so no matter how you want to dance around it, some things are very clear. >> there's also such a thing as throwi throwing things against the wall and that is what the obama campaign has been effective at doing and the romney campaign hasn't been. >> the romney campaign, they have been -- i can show you the proof. go to our website. again, you have campaigns -- >> check up on after the fact. >> my point, you said earlier -- i said absolutely. if you have that many eyebal
one thing or another is that a tax increase or not? it is through the tax system. so, did you lie? he's going to say no, i did not lie. >> you say something, you call him out on it. here's the deal. romney's not going to try to bring it up in the debate. nor will president obama because the moment you do, you have opened the door for your opponent to actually you out. so, responsibility's going to rest on the debate moderator, who is not going to do it, but again, what people are saying...
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to avert the fiscal cliff, in which everything from payroll taxes to full tax rates will go up. >>> and now our fourth story outfront. under attack by hackers. this was pretty incredible because the white house today confirmed that its military office was the target of a cyber attack with a suspected attacker, china. this is the office responsible for the united states of america's nuclear warplane. now, cnn has learned this was an unclassified network which was hit. officials say they dealt with the threat, but these attacks are relentless and the pentagon encounters thousands of them a day. how does washington keep up with this threat? "outfront" tonight, retired colonel cedric leighton. colonel, great to see you. the white house is saying we dealt with this, still, this is the white house. this is an office which is responsible for the united states of america's nuclear war plans how. how serious was this? >> it's great to see you, too, but this is too close for comfort when it comes to hacking attacks, especially when it comes to protecting the nuclear codes and anything else th
to avert the fiscal cliff, in which everything from payroll taxes to full tax rates will go up. >>> and now our fourth story outfront. under attack by hackers. this was pretty incredible because the white house today confirmed that its military office was the target of a cyber attack with a suspected attacker, china. this is the office responsible for the united states of america's nuclear warplane. now, cnn has learned this was an unclassified network which was hit. officials say they...
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under his tax plan. >> but their tax rates will come down. >> george, you chakd the rates. if the same amount of money coming out of your pocket and my pocket, you don't care what the rate is. i think what we're trying to do is where america is more competitive on its race with the rest of the world. we're competing in a global economy, and so, that's what governor romney is laying out a very clear vision on that. guess what he's going do, he's going negotiate with congress about those loopholes. that's what he's going to do. he's not going to lock himself into something now. >> don't voters have the right to know what those are? >> the voters have the right to know what direction he's going to take the country in. he's going to reduce so nobody is paying less in the wealthy class than before. here's what he's learned that the president has never learned, 85% of his legislation was democratic when he was governor in massachusetts. you can lay out aspirational goals and visions, you have to get down to negotiating to get things done. in washington, the president draws hard l
under his tax plan. >> but their tax rates will come down. >> george, you chakd the rates. if the same amount of money coming out of your pocket and my pocket, you don't care what the rate is. i think what we're trying to do is where america is more competitive on its race with the rest of the world. we're competing in a global economy, and so, that's what governor romney is laying out a very clear vision on that. guess what he's going do, he's going negotiate with congress about...
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i believe the wealthy should pay more taxes. isght now, the middle tax suffering. that mitt romney literally lied. he said this, and then last night he changed -- wednesday night he changed it up. about the 47%. for the middle class, he is not. years for the rich people. and all of those on wall street. thank you for giving me the opportunity to talk to you. host: from the washington post, the new fed notes are up from the last meeting. said a felt need for stimulus trumped risks, notes show. federal reserve officials debated the risks of beginning an ambitious new stimulus policy before ultimately giving it a green light, according to minutes of the central bank's september meeting. next is a call from kevin, palm springs, california. an independent this regard but the role of government in your life. caller: i think the president's description of the role of government was spot on. we have to remember the president is a constitutional lawyer. now, mitt romney's description of the government is inaccurate. he talks about -- hear references the preamble to the cons
i believe the wealthy should pay more taxes. isght now, the middle tax suffering. that mitt romney literally lied. he said this, and then last night he changed -- wednesday night he changed it up. about the 47%. for the middle class, he is not. years for the rich people. and all of those on wall street. thank you for giving me the opportunity to talk to you. host: from the washington post, the new fed notes are up from the last meeting. said a felt need for stimulus trumped risks, notes show....
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the cut in tax rates. >> the cut in tax rates is lower all american tax rates by 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> it's not revenue neutral unless you take away the deductions. we're going to get to that. >> lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works. and you can -- >> but you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> what's your response to that answer, steve, just the whole series of back and forth there? >> i think that really that's the wrong argument to have if you're paul ryan. >> what do you mean that's the wrong argument? he's the numbers guy. he's the fiscal responsible face of the republican party, what other -- is he supposed to be on the front line for foreign policy? this was supposed to be his game. why is that the wrong argument? >> i didn't say it was the wrong issue. i said the wrong argument. those are two different things. >> okay. >> to me he's accepting the premise of the questions that taxing and spending and how big the government is and the role of
the cut in tax rates. >> the cut in tax rates is lower all american tax rates by 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> it's not revenue neutral unless you take away the deductions. we're going to get to that. >> lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works. and you can -- >> but you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> what's your...
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on top of the extension to the bush tax cuts. >> i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. i don't have a tax cut. of a scale that you're talking about. i will not reduce the share paid by high income individuals. i know that you and your running mate keep saying that and i know it's a popular thing to say with a lot of people burks it's just not the case. look, i got five boys, i'm used to people saying something that's not always true. >> health care, romney was on offense, touting what he passed in massachusetts as an example of a bipartisan compromise and a model for the whole country at the state level. >> we've seen this model work really well. in massachusetts because governor romney did a good thing, working with democrats in the state to set up what is essentially the identical model. >> i like the way we did it in massachusetts. entirely on a partisan basis instead of bringing america together and having a discussion at this important topic, you pushed through something that you and nancy pelosi and harry reid thought something was the best answer and drove it thr
on top of the extension to the bush tax cuts. >> i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. i don't have a tax cut. of a scale that you're talking about. i will not reduce the share paid by high income individuals. i know that you and your running mate keep saying that and i know it's a popular thing to say with a lot of people burks it's just not the case. look, i got five boys, i'm used to people saying something that's not always true. >> health care, romney was on offense, touting what...
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a tax cut that ads to the deficit. that is part one. there is no economist that can say mitt romney tax plan adds $5 trillion if i say i will not add to the deficit with my tax plan. >> if you are lowering the rates the way you describe, governor, it is not possible to come up with enough deductions and loopholes that only affect high overincome individuals to avoid either raising the deficit or burdening the middle class. it is math. >>trace: which candidate had the upper hand and how much was accurate? with me is the associate editor of the financial weekly owned by the parent of this company. michael, romney says if you lower the tax rates what happens is, businesses have more money. businesses have more money they can hire more people and, guess what, everyone starts paying taxes and that is how you close the deficit. true? >>guest: it is true that is what he is saying. it is true that is the way a model would have it play out. the question and what assumptions go in that assertion by lowering rate and obviously on
a tax cut that ads to the deficit. that is part one. there is no economist that can say mitt romney tax plan adds $5 trillion if i say i will not add to the deficit with my tax plan. >> if you are lowering the rates the way you describe, governor, it is not possible to come up with enough deductions and loopholes that only affect high overincome individuals to avoid either raising the deficit or burdening the middle class. it is math. >>trace: which candidate had the upper hand and...
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>> stephanie: can you get a tax write-off -- >> caller: do they get a tax write-off when they contribute all of this money -- >> i'm not sure. i'm not a tax accountant. >> stephanie: and your phone is breaking up. jim in new jersey. hi, jim. >> caller: just for a minute. let's forget about reports that mitt romney is being sued for copyright infringement with his ken doll. >> stephanie: see what you did. >> caller: he would say we need this debate on taxes, we want this debate on taxes and now -- >> stephanie: and so far. >> caller: yeah, now he says i would talk about my plan but i don't want to hurt fox's ratings. >> stephanie: yeah, i don't have time to explain all of the math. that's crazy. [ cuckoo clock chimes ] >> stephanie: now we are having a debate on taxes, and guess what you are losing? neener. that's it for us. hal sparks tomorrow. actress kerry washington, who awesome. joining us tomorrow. we will see you then on the "stephanie miller show." happy birthday, jacki! >> jacki schechner! ♪ 43
>> stephanie: can you get a tax write-off -- >> caller: do they get a tax write-off when they contribute all of this money -- >> i'm not sure. i'm not a tax accountant. >> stephanie: and your phone is breaking up. jim in new jersey. hi, jim. >> caller: just for a minute. let's forget about reports that mitt romney is being sued for copyright infringement with his ken doll. >> stephanie: see what you did. >> caller: he would say we need this debate on...
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and rick santorum said in the fictitious land of obama ville romney fight santorum using moves like tax evasion and olympics savior santorum counters with sweater vest and a special move to claim coal herman cain joins the me like he unleashes his nine nine nine attack on romney romney counters with another round of tax evasion toward the end of the epic battle santorum even manages to give romney a dose of church and state. videos are no doubt are doing their due out in the series all leading up to the fine now a battle between royale between president obama and romney one can only wonder about the moves of the future character paul ryan had an austerity attack. on the rand roundhouse kick. you know the mainstream news media as a joke when even one of the most historic trusted influential political news programs. because in a corporate corruption what happened on meet the press this weekend i want can you do to stop the steady stream of misinformation that's korea out of your t.v. so you and i still eat it. you know. you think you understand it and then. you hear or see some other part
and rick santorum said in the fictitious land of obama ville romney fight santorum using moves like tax evasion and olympics savior santorum counters with sweater vest and a special move to claim coal herman cain joins the me like he unleashes his nine nine nine attack on romney romney counters with another round of tax evasion toward the end of the epic battle santorum even manages to give romney a dose of church and state. videos are no doubt are doing their due out in the series all leading...
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and he's just as hapless on taxes. >> raise taxes with obama care but he's got another taxes in mind. >> governor romney doesn't need zingers. he needs to get his story straight. he needs to stop debating himself. and at the end of the day, this election isn't about one liners. just ask our president. >> i know folks in the media are speculating already on who's going to have the best zingers. what i'm most concerned about is having a serious discussion about what we need to do to keep the country growing and restore security for hardworking americans. that's what people are going to be listening for. that's the debate that you deserve. >> that's the debate voters deserve. and on wednesday night, they won't be distracted by any zingers cooked up by romney's team of joke writers. joining me now is michelle cottle, washington correspondent for "newsweek" and the daily beast. and dana milbank, columnist for "the washington post." thanks to you both for coming on tonight. dana, are zingers the answer for mitt romney? >> well, he has to beware the very perilous boomerang zinger. delivering
and he's just as hapless on taxes. >> raise taxes with obama care but he's got another taxes in mind. >> governor romney doesn't need zingers. he needs to get his story straight. he needs to stop debating himself. and at the end of the day, this election isn't about one liners. just ask our president. >> i know folks in the media are speculating already on who's going to have the best zingers. what i'm most concerned about is having a serious discussion about what we need to...
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. >> the tax rates will come down. the same amount of money coming out of your pocket and my pocket, you're no particular time not worried. we're competing in a global economy, and so, that's what governor romney is laying out a very clear visio he's going negotiate with congress about those loopholes. that's what he's going to do. he's not going to lock himself into something now. the voters have the right to know what direction he's going to take the country in. he's going to reduce so nobody is payingless in the wealthy class than before. the president has never learned, 85 prkt of his legislation was democratic when he was governor in massachusetts. you can lay out aspirational goals and visions, you have to get down to negotiating to get things done. the president doesn't know how to negotiate and compromise. >> governor romney has been getting a lot of advice from some pretty anxious conservatives. one wants a bigger, bolder campaign. he said, go large mitt. for six months, he's been matching obama small for smal
. >> the tax rates will come down. the same amount of money coming out of your pocket and my pocket, you're no particular time not worried. we're competing in a global economy, and so, that's what governor romney is laying out a very clear visio he's going negotiate with congress about those loopholes. that's what he's going to do. he's not going to lock himself into something now. the voters have the right to know what direction he's going to take the country in. he's going to reduce so...
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, like your home mortgage tax deduction, in the romney/ryan tax plan. not enough time. they can't even say if you will pay more or less with their tax plan. well, mitt, i'm sure president obama will give you as many of his minutes as you need to explain it all in wednesday night's debate. >> mitt romney needs a great october. >> we know romney needs a great october. >> to change the course of this campaign. >> the final push is on. >> just days away from the first presidential debate. >> both candidates cramming for the first debate. >> everyone trying to lower expectations. >> franticly spinning to lower expectations. >> >> president obama is an experienced debatetor. >> i'm just okay. >> almost everyone seems to be muting enthusiasm in trying to undersell thvernlths is mitt's first time. >> i don't buy that. >> chris christie is taking a different tack. >> we have a candidate who is going to do extraordinary well on wednesday night. come thursday morning when we get to thursday morning, the entire narrative of this race is going to change. >> this is
, like your home mortgage tax deduction, in the romney/ryan tax plan. not enough time. they can't even say if you will pay more or less with their tax plan. well, mitt, i'm sure president obama will give you as many of his minutes as you need to explain it all in wednesday night's debate. >> mitt romney needs a great october. >> we know romney needs a great october. >> to change the course of this campaign. >> the final push is on. >> just days away from the first...
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. >> lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works. and you can -- >> but i have to -- you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. let me say it this way, you can lower tax rates by 20% across the board, by closing loopholes and still have preferences for the middle class for things like charitable deductions for home purchases, for health care. >> where is the math? and is mitt romney going to be under pressure in this debate to produce the specifics as to how it will all add up? >> well, andrea, first that's a laughable question. where's the president's plan? he's had four years, 23 million people don't have work. so let's start with that. >> the question was asked by -- the question was asked by chris wallace on fox, being asked by other republicans, where is the math, how do you add up those tax cuts, even eliminating some deductions, which deductions would you eliminate, let's be specific and how will you do that and reach deficit reduction, which programs wil
. >> lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works. and you can -- >> but i have to -- you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. let me say it this way, you can lower tax rates by 20% across the board, by closing loopholes and still have preferences for the middle class for things like charitable deductions for home purchases, for health care. >> where is the math? and is mitt romney going to...
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cuts, going beyond the extension of the bush tax cuts. he talks about raising defense spending. he rejects a 10 to one ratio of spending cuts to tax increases. simpson-bowles. you mentioned them. they say the math doesn't add up in the romney plan and he won't tell us how he thinks it does. >> well, listen. the country is hungry for bipartisan compromise, david. i agree with you,t( especially after the last four year was intense partisanship from this white house. and mitt romney is the only candidate in this race who has a record of showing he knows as an executive how to forge bipartisan compromise. as the governor of massachusetts, over 85% of his legislature democrats, he made things happen. and he will make things happen as president of the united states. and will forge the right type of compromise to get this done. and that's the way it's going to work. >> do you think that this governor romney should be in a situation where he's actually prepared to deal with revenue, to raise revenue, go against his party if it's part of a package
cuts, going beyond the extension of the bush tax cuts. he talks about raising defense spending. he rejects a 10 to one ratio of spending cuts to tax increases. simpson-bowles. you mentioned them. they say the math doesn't add up in the romney plan and he won't tell us how he thinks it does. >> well, listen. the country is hungry for bipartisan compromise, david. i agree with you,t( especially after the last four year was intense partisanship from this white house. and mitt romney is the...
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to do to the tax code. he has a tax cut that would cost $5 trillion. that part is true. the president is right about that. romney said from the very beginning, he's consistent so nothing he said last night was new. it's important to put that clearly. he's always said he will pay for that tax cut. that tax cut will not be passed the way it is currently in. he will work with congress to find offsets. romney has not named any offsets or shown how to pay for it, and it's not clear that he can, given the size of it and given his promise of not letting it become a tax cut for the rich. that's what romney did last night. every time obama said you have a $5 trillion tax cut, he said no i don't. the truth is we don't know what it is. as he's running for president, i think it's information that we're frankly entitled to. >> let me play another clip. the president criticized romney for a lack of specifics in the tax plan and wall street reform and health care. that's how that went down. >> my experience as a governor
to do to the tax code. he has a tax cut that would cost $5 trillion. that part is true. the president is right about that. romney said from the very beginning, he's consistent so nothing he said last night was new. it's important to put that clearly. he's always said he will pay for that tax cut. that tax cut will not be passed the way it is currently in. he will work with congress to find offsets. romney has not named any offsets or shown how to pay for it, and it's not clear that he can,...
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that it will be taxed at 35%. you're allowed to act as if it is your money being invested which it is not. it is a lie! and he think -- he says that will limit capital and the growth of jobs. it is crap! these guys shave that extra money they make off and they send it to the cayman islands. they park it someplace else. it is crap. and that's why he won't say it. that's why he has to speak around it. >> stephanie: i think the president -- i'm really -- i'm unnaturally excited about tonight's debate. >> you will be drunk. >> stephanie: i'm not. political geek nirvana. 29 minutes after the hour. right back. hump days with hal on "the stephanie miller show." >> stephanie: she was eight. >> eight. >> stephanie: prime minister david cameron accidently left his daughter in a bar. >> there is a difference. >> stephanie: that's a mix up. >> she was finishing his red barrel. >> stephanie: there was a mix up after a family lunch at a publish. >> of course. (vo) what is said here could decide the election. current tv presents
that it will be taxed at 35%. you're allowed to act as if it is your money being invested which it is not. it is a lie! and he think -- he says that will limit capital and the growth of jobs. it is crap! these guys shave that extra money they make off and they send it to the cayman islands. they park it someplace else. it is crap. and that's why he won't say it. that's why he has to speak around it. >> stephanie: i think the president -- i'm really -- i'm unnaturally excited about...
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tax rates. it's revenue neutral. >> it's not unless you take away the deductions. we're going to get to that. the first half. lowering the tax rates. does that cost $5 trillion? >> no. >> the master of the power point was having a hard time making a point. let's break down what paul ryan is actually saying here. romney and ryan will give trillion in tax breaks to the wealthiest americans. subtract an unspecified amount of money of unnamed deductions. somehow you're going to get a revenue neutral tax plan. it's a plan so bogus not even a fox news host can understand it. >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the -- it would take me too long to go through the math. >> paul ryan, paul ryan, if you want to be a heartbeat away from the presidency, we're going to have to explain your plans to the american people. take all the time you want. especially here on "the ed show." you guys have been complaining about media fairness preponderance let's talk it over. today paul ryan told a radio hos
tax rates. it's revenue neutral. >> it's not unless you take away the deductions. we're going to get to that. the first half. lowering the tax rates. does that cost $5 trillion? >> no. >> the master of the power point was having a hard time making a point. let's break down what paul ryan is actually saying here. romney and ryan will give trillion in tax breaks to the wealthiest americans. subtract an unspecified amount of money of unnamed deductions. somehow you're going to...
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so let's hear him explain the tax policy. >> the cut in tax rates is lower -- all american tax rates -- >> how much does it cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> it's not revenue neutral unless you take away the deductions. the first half, lowering the tax rates. does that cost $5 trillion? >> no, no. look, i won't get into a baseline argument with you. >> you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all the math. >> all right. you know what, mitt? you better put paul ryan away somewhere. send him to a sports bar somewhere in ohio. at least he can have a few beers with voters. he's got that going for him. who knows, it might help make inroads with that 9% deficit romney is facing against the president in the latest ohio poll. then again, there may not be enough time to do enough shots with enough intoxicated fans before voting starts in ohio tomorrow. so if his running mate is no use, how about a boost from the other person mitt's proposed to, his wife, ann. surely she can provide the comfort and confidence that mr. romney needs
so let's hear him explain the tax policy. >> the cut in tax rates is lower -- all american tax rates -- >> how much does it cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> it's not revenue neutral unless you take away the deductions. the first half, lowering the tax rates. does that cost $5 trillion? >> no, no. look, i won't get into a baseline argument with you. >> you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go...
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the cut in tax rates? >> the cut in tax rates is lower all americans tax rate business 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> unless you take away the deductions. >> we're going to get to that in a second. the first half lowering the tax rates does that cost $5 trillion? >> no. look, i won't get into baseline argument with you because that's what a lot of this is about. lowering tax rates broadening the tax base works and you can -- >> but i have to -- you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> that was paul ryan on fox news yesterday making the case against math or for time or some combination thereof. these are the moments where i think the romney team has trouble, once you can actually drill down and say, but how does it work? show me the numbers. there is no answer. >> right. paul ryan thinks he can use this kind of policy wonk construction that he's been able to create to evade policy discussions. h
the cut in tax rates? >> the cut in tax rates is lower all americans tax rate business 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> unless you take away the deductions. >> we're going to get to that in a second. the first half lowering the tax rates does that cost $5 trillion? >> no. look, i won't get into baseline argument with you because that's what a lot of this is about. lowering tax rates broadening the tax base works and you can --...